头脑、大脑和意识实际上是一个-7

头脑、大脑和意识实际上是一个-7

本文仅对翻译部分和评论申明原创这个问题比较重要：克氏用的三个词：头脑mind，大脑brain，意识consciousness。大部分情况下他都用头脑这个词，但是有时候他又会说到大脑。在这里克氏给出了他自己的解释，不是从科学，生物学角度的解释，而是从他对一种意识的觉知力的角度，也就是他并没有区分这几个词，因为如果摆脱了所有的条件化，那么其实这三个东西是一个东西。这个就是很让人混淆了，一般学习知识的人总是希望能够在一开始把专用名词的定义搞清楚，这是我们学习知识的通常的做法，但是克氏却在这上面就进行了混用，所以把克氏说的当知识来研究真的是毫无意义。而有意思的是，很多学术性人才他们会把克氏的文字逐字逐句地进行对比、比较和分析，认为这样可以更深刻地理解克氏说的。但是，其实，你必须把自己这本生命之书读透了才可能理解他到底在说些啥。他说的根本没有任何知识性可言，全部都是心的流动而已。

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么意思？

第三个问题：请你澄清你所说的大脑、头脑（mind）和意识是什我不打算澄清，我们将一起讨论。首先，我们不是专业人士，感谢上帝：我们是在询问，不是专业人士不询问，我不是这个意思。我们是普通的凡人，我们正在探究这个非常非常复杂的问题，即意识、

质量——不是结构、性质、细胞等等，而是大脑和头脑——对吗？请不要看着我，看你们自己。

首先是意识：要有意识，就是要有觉知，就是要有注意力，不要忽略，而是要勤勉地探究我们意识的本质。存在无意识和有意识的区分。无意识是所有的过去，所有的继承，所有几千年来人类的记忆——对吗？在无意识中，你可能会有被新教和印度教以及所有其他宗教所影响的记忆，两千年的基督教和宣传深深地把对天堂和地狱、救世主的恐惧缝合在了你的深处。如果你去伊斯兰世界，它也在那里。印度教世界也是这样。所以无意识是过去的运动。我们不会讨论太多细节，因为这是一个非常复杂的问题。过去是一千年的记忆，一千年的痛苦，挣扎和人类所有的不幸。无意识是指你是英国人、法国人等等的想法。而意识，正如我们所观察到的，我们可能错了，我们必须总是怀疑，意识是所有最近的遭遇，教育，技术，遭遇。也就是说，有意识的头脑经常有无意识的暗示，对吗？你在跟着这一切吗？

如果一个人有觉察的话，有意识的头脑总是被无意识所引导。你明白吗？所以实际上，如果一个人是活着的、有觉知的，就没有无意识和有意识。这是一个统一（单一）的运动，如果一个人是活着的，完全有觉知的。当发生危机时，当有一些深层次的令人不安的挑战时，一个人会完全觉知到一切，你的整个意识都会付诸行动。我们的意识就是思想所赋予的一切，对吗？我们的信仰，我们的传统，我们的信念，我们对天堂和地狱的恐惧，我们的恐惧，你知道，我们生命的整个运动就是我们的意识。当然，那意识是我们大脑的一部分。如果我没有大脑，我就没有意识。因此，大脑是意识的一部分和必要运动，通过大脑或在大脑中执行。现在大脑-我不是专业人士，我已经和专业人士讨论过这一点，但他们不会接受我们所说的，但那没关系，我可能是错的，我可能是不对的。

我们在说大脑现在是有条件作用的。从技术上看，看看有多少能量投入到了技术中。我们的大脑是有限的，通过大量的经验、知识被条件作用。但是为了发现大脑的质量，那种大脑不是被条件作用的，因此是无限的能力，看看技术人员在做什么，他们没有被条件作用，

他们在探索，推动，驱动去发现，因此他们拥有非凡的能力-，技术人员，科学家正在创造的东西，你们中的一些人甚至不知道这件事，恐怖。所以大脑有无限的能力。但现在它已经被英国人、法国人和其他所有条件作用了，我相信，我不相信，我相信上帝，我相信我的上师，那位上师比这位上师更好——你明白吗？所有这些胡说八道都在继续。

所以，当它受到条件作用时，它的能力是有限的，只有当这种条件影响被完全摆脱时，这意味着没有信仰，没有恐惧，你明白吗？对任何事情都没有任何挂念，对过去的记忆，过去的经历。我已经和他们谈过了，当他们涉及到技术时，他们就是那样的，他们是如此的有活力。他们没有时间，他们不管你。那么大脑是否有可能不被条件作用呢？这意味着大脑是否可能摆脱已知的东西吗？也就是说，我必须知道如何回家，走哪条路，我说什么语言，我必须知道，这就是知识，但要在心理上自由，这就是条件作用，大脑已经被知识条件化，要摆脱条件化，那么大脑就有了非凡的能力。

那么我们在说什么是头脑？首先，我们谈到意识、大脑和头脑。当大脑完全摆脱心理知识时，大脑就是头脑（mind），因为头脑是无限的。因此，要理解这一切，你必须研究自己，而不是从书本上，也不是从别人那里，你必须审视自己的生命，给予时间、精力、耐心和摸索。我们没有时间，因为我们总是在喋喋不休。所以，当完全解脱所有条件作用时，头脑、大脑和意识实际上是一个。

我们继续好吗？

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本文仅对翻译部分和评论申明原创

你要观察你自己！

↓下面是本篇文章的英语原文

3rd QUESTION: Would you please clarify what you mean by

brain, mind and consciousness?

I am not going to clarify, we will talk over together. First of all

we are not professionals, thank god: We are enquiring, not that

professionals don't enquire, I don't mean that. We are ordinary

laymen, we are enquiring into this very, very complex problem

which is, consciousness, the quality - not the structure, the nature,

the cells and all that, but the brain and the mind - right? Please

don't look at me, look at yourselves.

First of all consciousness: to be conscious, which is to be

aware, which is to be attentive, not negligent, but diligently

enquire into the nature of our consciousness. There has been the

division as the unconscious and the conscious. The unconscious

is all the past, all the inheritance, all the memories of thousands

of years of man - right? Unconsciously you may have the

memories of being conditioned in Protestantism and Hinduism

and all the rest of it, two thousand years of Christianity and

propaganda has sewn deeply the fear of heaven and hell, the

saviour - you follow? - it is there deeply. And if you go to the

Islamic world, it is there also. And the Hindu world and so on. So

the unconscious is the movement of the past. We won't go into

too many details because it is a very complex question we are

going into. The past is a thousand memories, thousand years of

pain, struggle and all the travail of man. The unconscious is the

idea that you are British, French and so on.

And the conscious, as one observes, one may be wrong, one

must always be doubting, the conscious is all the recent covering,

education, technology, the covering. That is, the conscious mind

has often the intimations of the unconscious - right? You are

following all this? And the conscious mind is always, if one is at

all aware, is being guided by the unconscious. You follow? So

there is actually, if one is at all alive, aware, there is no

unconscious and the conscious. It is one unitary movement, if

one is alive, fully aware. And one is fully aware when there is a

crisis, when there is some deep disturbing challenge everything,

your whole consciousness comes into action. And our

consciousness is everything that thought has put there - right?

Our belief, our tradition, our faith, our fears of heaven and hell,

our fears, you know, our whole movement of our life is our

consciousness. That consciousness is part of our brain, of course.

If I have no brain I have no consciousness. So the brain is part

and the necessary movement of consciousness, acting through,

or in the brain. Now the brain - I am not professional, please, I

have discussed this point with professionals but they won't

accept what we are saying but that doesn't matter, I may be false,

I may be wrong.

We are saying the brain is now conditioned - right?

Technologically, look how much energy has gone into technology.

Our brain is limited, conditioned through vast experience,

knowledge, conditioned. But to discover the quality of the brain

which is not conditioned and therefore infinite capacity, look at

what the technological people are doing, they are not

conditioned, they are enquiring, pushing, driving to find out, and

therefore they have got extraordinary capacity - the atom bomb,

the things the technicians, the scientists are creating, some of you

don't even know about it, the horrors. So the brain has infinite

capacity. But it is conditioned now as British, as French, and all

the rest, I believe, I don't believe, I believe in god, in my guru, that

guru is better than this guru - you follow? All that nonsense is

going on.

So as it is conditioned its capacity is limited, and only when

that conditioning is totally free, that means no faith, no fear, you

follow? - no attachment of any kind to anything, to past

memories, past experiences. And they are that way when they are

technologically involved, they are tremendously alive, I have

talked to them. They have no time, they brush you off. So is it

possible for the brain to be unconditioned? Which means is it

possible for the brain to be free of the known? That is, I have to

know where I have to go home, which road to take, what

language I speak, I have to, there is knowledge, but to be free

psychologically, which is the conditioning, which the brain has

been conditioned, conditioned by knowledge, to be free of that

then it has got extraordinary capacity.

Then we are saying what is the mind? First of all we talked of

consciousness, the brain and the mind. When the brain is

completely free of that psychological knowledge, then the brain

is the mind, because mind is infinite. So to understand all this you

have to study yourself, not from books, not from other people,

you have to look at your own life, give time, energy, patience,

probing. We haven't time because we are chattering all the time.

So mind, brain and consciousness are really one, when there is

total freedom of all conditioning.

Shall we go on?

BROCKWOOD PARK 2ND PUBLIC QUESTION & ANSWER

MEETING 2ND SEPTEMBER 1982